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Track Coastal's YouTube link to the video of the Toowoomba floods: Whilst the rabid floodwaters carry away parked cars as if mere Dinky toys, they remain completely calm and safe filming from their office building?! At about 5 min. Using the most modern technological advances at his disposal, airship has been able to shed some light and proposes the following: Traffic warden 1 time We won't get to write many parking tickets today then.
Just look at all those illegally parked vehicles in violation. Seriously though, hope everyone there pull together and come through safely. Was the man really letting air out of his front tyres before driving away? The chappie "letting the air out of his tyres" is in fact rotating the hub cap of his 4X4 to engage the 4X4 function. It's a Toyota Land Cruiser or some such thing. That makes a lot more sense Sultan Ismail.
But you do realise that the hundreds of thousands or even millions of people around the planet who've watched or will one day watch the video might come away with the belief that deflating the tyres of your car may somehow prevent it from being dragged away in a flood?!
Had I been the owner of the 4x4 in question, I wouldn't have bothered though. Just got in, started and done my best with 4x2. Would probably have left my seat-belt off too! I'm aware that the reason for this was good old risk management.
Then, they discovered that many people were not prepared to abandon their pets to the floods. So, in a strange rush of humanity, they have designated an elevated oval where all the animals will be penned and watched. That's better than nothing, I suppose. You'd still think, if your pet was quiet, that having it with you wouldn't be so bad - especially under the circumstances.
Amazing video of East creek in flood airship. The google earth location of the video is S, E Looking at the google map it seems to me that the Toowoomba Council got no corporate knowledge of their own flood history - why else is East creek so built into by roads etc.
No one learns from history, there's always some muppet saying the latest floods are "unprecedented". Just going back to and we find just the same floods. In the report below East creek is called East swamp - " Toowoomba, February 18, It has rained incessantly in torrents here from Thursday afternoon until 6 o'clock last night, when the flood waters reached the highest level ever known at Toowoomba. Not only in Russell street was the flood higher than ever known before, but on East Swamp the waters, unprecedentedly their height, broke over Ruthven street bridge, and the torrent of water caused a breakdown to occur on the bridge on the western side.
Brisbane Courier, June 24, " Just goes to show: How ignorant governments are of just "how" their citizens consider their pets but more likely, that pets have no rights whatsoever to be as part of their "families".
The clearest demonstration of this are the most recent "animal feed" incidents in Europe http: Where the eggs of the chickens , the chickens, then the pigs are all slaughtered. Yet nothing about whether these same tainted animal-feeds might have also been used in the production of pet-food. Of course, we humans don't usually eat our pets.
Chickens and pigs can be slaughtered massively for the smallest reason. But one day, some unimportant government official will say "Hang on a moment?! Surely we should at least endeavour to conduct studies into dioxin levels in humans who might have consumed these products also? If almost any level of dioxins can cause cancer, perhaps they can also result in deformed embryoes etc.?
I'm not yet saying that affected humans should be also slaughtered. But that at least, we should seriously study whether their rights to reproduce should be curtailed or at least severely-controlled.
So just make sure that you send out enough pet-food and that "evacuation measures" reflect the needs of the average Ozzie household. Otherwise, we'll come looking for you after it's all over Not many people know that Toowoomba's about m ft above sea level. The word Toowoomba is generally supposed to mean 'swamp' in the local indigenous language.
Tried to phone a very dear friend not far from Brisbane last night. Line just did not connect A couple of nights ago she said their 'dam' sort of big pond in the garden.
Leaves me with an uneasy feeling. I don't recall ever seeing such high speed flow in a built up area. Quite fast in Italy once, but nothing like the link above. My bro and sis-in-law are visiting friends in Brisbane, fortunately at Wellington Point?
My bro has been helping shore up some houses and says his wife has spent a lot of time just crying today. I'm glad I'm not up there. The bro says there is a bit of resentment around directed at the premier about the big dams being too full to operate properly to mitigate floods, although no-one seems to know whether any flood mitigation capacity of the dams would have been overwhelmed or not.
Bro says there are suddenly hundreds of hydrology and meteorology experts everywhere, as well as sandbag filling experts. They are trucking sand in from quite a distance. Some of the local sand and gravel depots are under water, and they need dryish sand. Bro has no news other than it's wet and everyone is stuffed. People are looking at National Warnings Summary http: Not much power around in Brisbane near the river. Water levels in one of the 'lakes' was being held higher than usual, when, with the forecast of torrential rain, it should have been lowered beforehand.
Result that all the fresh rainfall simply flowed through to the river and flooded the towns. A fabrication by a local pressure group that rolled that one out from time to time! BBC News - Brisbane floods: Good on your brother for helping out. I guess nothing stops a big flood.
That's the guts of it. Bolt has an interesting story about the Toowoomba Council - " Just for clarification, the guy isn't " engaging his 4wd", though near enough and I may be being picky.
He is most likely engaging locking his hubs. Some 4wd have what are called free wheeling hubs, if you don't engage them and then select 4wd drive you won't get it. For example if I am going somewhere where I might need 4wd drive, I lock my hubs in before hand.
The guy didn't look like he was in a particular hurry, still had an umbrella, hence he thought it safer to get the hubs in just in case he pulled around the corner or something and got into trouble.
Just on the edge of the shot there seemed to be quite a bit of stuff as a buffer, so I'm presuming it made the judgment rightly or wrongly that he had the time. The word Toowoomba is generally supposed to mean 'swamp' in the local indigenous languageMaybe they new something from their old stories we didn't.
Toowoomba is Australia's second largest inland city and its largest non-capital inland city. Toowoomba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http: There are set flood events. Planners are restricted by cost as to how big a flood event they can build to accommodate. There are massive pressures on them to develop as much "useable" land as possible. As a result, much development encroaches on floodplain. These floodplain levels are outlined on every map of importance There seems to be a bit of a fatalistic attitude that any future flood will not be severe, and they will not be substantially effected.
When a proper flood hits, as it does at least once in every lifetime.. The simple fact is, that these flood levels are mapped from the 's, and are there for anyone to see, if they are planning on buying a property. If they choose to build in floodplain areas, they have to accept the risk. What few people understand is the volume of water that comes out of a few black clouds, and how that volume is concentrated by the catchment area of the relevant waterway.
I built a new road once. It was a simple project. It was a haul road from Kanowna, about 20kms East of Kalgoorlie, around the North of the town, to meet up with the Kalgoorlie-Menzies Hwy. It was a 22km long section of road, built cheaply, to accommodate road trains hauling gold ore. It was done cheaply, because the transport company involved, paid for it to be built, and it was their dedicated haul road, purely for their own use.
This road ran through some flattish country The land area of the catchment area wasn't huge, but I did some quick, "back of the napkin" calculations, and estimated that that catchment area could produce a very large volume of water, from a rain event, over a short time frame i.
There was no money available for Armco culverts or any fancy bridging of the numerous small creeks that the road crossed The transport company boss turned up halfway through construction, and wanted to know why I had built such massive floodways!? I said to him Or would you rather I spent less money now? I finished the road project, complete with some floodways that were metres wide, and 1 metre deep Within 3 weeks of completion of the project, Kalgoorlie had a major thunderstorm event.
One Sunday night, a thunderstorm dropped mm of rain within an hour, and about 50mm of that downpour, within the last 15 mins of the storm. I went out and checked on the haul road the following morning. The floodways were running "bankers" I must say, even I was surprised at the volumes of water still flowing, fully 12 hours after the event. However, the floodwater all drained away by the following day I felt good that my knowledge and understanding of flooding potential, was fully justified, by my adequate construction of the roads flood-handling capabilities, that enabled minimal disruption to traffic.
If only this same attitude was taken by planners and construction operators in the QLD regions, we would not be seeing anywhere near the loss and damage, that we are now seeing. Unfortunately, people have short memories However, in many cases It's amazing how it usually takes another flood event, for them to be trotted out Radeng, I can assure you that Rotary has been extremely busy, not only in Queensland but all over Australia. Perhaps you should think a bit before you sling off at unpaid volunteers.
Onetrack, you are spot on. The tools are there, but often they are not used, but are ignored for short term gain. There's not even a mention here except from the guy from Westbury of assistance being welcome.
Spot the odd one out - only the property buyers take the risk of living there; the developers and builders take the risk of being able to finish, sell and settle before a flood hits. RJM re flood mitigation. The storage and flood mitigation dam Wivenhoe has actually been very well managed in this event. If the dam wasn't there the flood would have risen far faster, been far more severe and probably lasted far longer. I live in SE Qld and follow our water storage and flood management very closely.
I've been watching some of the coverage from Brisbane through the day, and at one point the newsies were talking to one of the emergency planners. The planner mentioned that they had a map on the wall in the office, that showed the local geography from the big flood over a hundred years ago. The comment that really told was "a lot of the areas that were flooded were marked 'swamp', but these areas are now housing estates. My point was that there comes a time when the flooding overwhelms any mitigation regime.
Not being a hydrology expert, I haven't a clue when that is. And now we have two cyclones, one currently tracking for the east coast and one for the west. RJM, you have a piont, though imagine what would be happening in Brisbane right now if we didn't have either Wivenhoe or Somerset dams. A work colleague has been worrying his tits off about daughter no. Dear Dad, don't worry, we're all OK.
Got most of our stuff to the 3rd floor of the house where it should be OK until the water receeds unless the house falls down. Took the rowing boat, stuffed it full of essentials and made it to the pub - Danny says we can stay here for as long as we need to.
Water water everywhere and only beer to drink! It's a tragedy - tens of people have been killed and thousands of homes damaged or destroyed. But I hope we are not forgetting last year's floods in Pakistan where thousands were killed and millions made homeless.
And since they were mostly subsistence farmers, they lost their livelihoods as well. This isn't to denigrate the suffering in Australia, just to compare the scale of the two disasters. With this tropical inflow its going to be a hell of a coming week I think - http: And GWAS is stuck in the middle of it Avis girl drove 93kms to deliver car You're going to get fcuked.
Here's hoping that most folks come through this better than anticipated. And its only tea time! I just got back from a walk around the Brisbane CBD.
While i were watching a group doing some shop front sandbaging one of the workers stripped off and went off splashing through the water - musta bagged the bottle shop earlier. While standing near the waters edge looking at all the rubbish floating about the footpath, one of them little four wheeled street cleaners drove up - driver looked at the mess, shook his head, turned around and drove off.
We have racks of eco friendly push bikes on many city streets. Got some nice pictures of bikes in foot deep water. I'm yet to see anybody ride them eco bikes that cost us rate payers heaps - perhaps the Lord Mayor is hoping the floods will wash away the embarrasment Queensland's Premier Anna Bligh warned many would still wake to scenes they had never seen in their lives We are now seeing thousands of homes inundated with water up to the roof. Many, many more are expected to see significant water damage.
She said 20, to 30, people would be affected in Brisbane. Brisbane ostensibly has a current population of almost 2 million. So if only , people are being affected, that means just "1. What the media have been reporting shows much more than just "1. That recent media reports also show videos of a horse swimming through the floods, a dog being rescued by boat, a kangaroo in the arms of its' rescuer, all of which might also raise questions about how well the "organised rescue efforts" if any are "on-going" for all the non-human victims?!
Just reading back to onetrack's post, and it puts me in mind of the vast work put into Texas rain handling. One year in Austin, this highway-sized river - which normally only has a trickle in the middle - flooded over, and washed away Straite Music Sp? They had a vast stock of concert grands, and only one of them was ever found. Seems even they underestimated the potential of a good downpour. I'm gaining some comfort from the fact that lines are down north of Brisbane - still not heard anything.
Must have been horrible waiting for one's daughter to get in touch. It's daytime now and the flood peaked a metre lower than predicted at hrs 4. The airport had minimal flooding, unlike the old airport which went under in It's fully operational and ATC are doing their best juggling about 5 news helicopters whizzing around during peak traffic time. Unfortunately about 40, houses are still affected and the areas around the river and its creeks are under a lot of water.
In Auchenflower and other low areas to the west of the river single story houses are up to their roofs in muddy water. However, the flooding is less severe than predicted and fewer houses have been innundated. There's been some kooky stuff coming down the river, most notably the river walk, a board walk that used to run along the river at the city reach. At about midnight it detached itself in three bits one m long and the other two m long each which floated down the river at about 25 knots.
The water police and an absolute gem of a tug boat managed to steer the bits through the Gateway Bridges which were closed about 4 times , past all the port infrastructure and towards the mouth of the river without destroying anything. D They're now trying to figure out what to do with them, there's talk they'll moor them near the airport in the bay. The Moggil Ferry and Island party boat a former car ferry are also threatening to come loose, and apparently there were plans to sink them with Army helicopters rather than risk the bridges.
So far so good, they managed to put a drift anchor on one and chain the other up. There's quite a few Brisbanites who have been bombed on the Island party boat over the years, but not in the way these guys were planning ;. It's gonna be a bit messy for a while. All the best to any PPRuNers who have lost stuff.
Gateway Bridges are open again after being closed three times this morning because of concerns about debris Courier Mail http: I've been watching all this on the TV news and reading this thread. All I can say is that my heart goes out for you. I really wish there was something I could do.
Just hang in there, it will stop and the flood waters will go away sooner or later. Then the clean up and the recovery. Pleased that things weren't worse than predicted. I must say that 4. IMO, full marks to the boffins for predicting worst case rather than best case so people could be prepared.
We also had the advantage of several days notice, unlike poor Toowoomba and the Laidley areas, so people had a chance to get out of their houses before the water came. I'm not sure where you live as far as the 4. A lot of the city around the river is basically at sea level, so 4. The 74 flood peaked at 5. There is terrible destruction to both houses and businesses heart breaking footage of whole suburbs under water but it could have been much worse in terms of human life cost, notwithstanding the twelve confirmed fatalities.
The Premier is on telly at the moment and she made the point that last night in Brisbane, not one person had to be rescued for doing stupid stuff. Apparently, out of a million people not one idiot decided to skylark or take unnecessary risks in flood water. The police have also been excellent and hard core about keeping people away from danger, so full marks to them also.
Pretty good effort all round! There is a man-made embankment along the south side to impede flooding of several low-lying houses with a height of about 5 metres above mean river level this has been overtopped several times but only natural contours along the north side. The main settlement is perhaps 15 metres above the mean river level, though there are properties lower than this. Bloody impressed to see Kevin Rudd up to his knees in it, helping people move their belongings.
Very few countries where you'd see an ex-pm actually putting in physical effort other than for the cameras. I liked the guy before, even more so now. Just to clarify Standby Scum's photo for people who don't know Brisbane, that's an old jet that was mounted on a pole outside an auto-wrecker's yard on Ispwich road. It's very high off the ground, as you can see by the telegraph pole which gives an indication of the height of the water.
Brisbane airport's fine, no damage or flooding. Archerfield the GA airport is also okay, although isolated by flood water at the moment. If anyone anywhere in the world would like to offer help by way of donating money, here are some links: Donate to the flood relief appeal http: Cash can and will be spent in the devestated communities and will be a good boost to the local economies.
Goods on the other hand are currently difficult to distribute. It isn't much but it might mean something to someone who'd lost their house. The engineers must have had the sums right back when they designed the Wivenhoe, peaking at more than a metre less than , but the impact is greater of course because of the sheer amount of people who have moved here from down south over the past 30 odd years Worrals, love that shot of 'The Emporer of Lang Park' Yatala Pies should put on a spread for all volunteers!
The cynic in me though sees the barely concealable relief in Anna Blighs face at such disaster, as focus is removed from the disaster that has been her term I thought it was cute: It's longer than the Tynne but I don't know if that would impact.
Maybe it's a terrain issue, maybe it's deeper or maybe you guys are just better at not building in low, flood prone areas. That's been a big problem in Brisbane over the last 20 years and has been a direct factor in the number of flooded homes.
The other factor is the Bremmer River, which flows through Ipswich about 30km west of Brisbane and realistically part of it these days. It joins the Brisbane River at Mt Crosby and flows to the bay from there.
It peaked at Its water might be responsible for a lot of the western flooding in areas like Rocklea, but that's an uninformed guess. I've been mouthy about the Wivenhoe before both on and off here , in part because of the BS spruiked during the Big Dry about it being a drinking water dam when it was always built for flood mitigation.
It's certainly done its work, they estimate the peak would have been over 6 metres without it. I still would have liked either 1. If there had been heavy rain as well they may have had to release more water than they did, or if the tide had been higher it may have caused worse flooding.
Anyway, full marks to the boffins for getting it sorted. Before anyone accuses me of armchair hydrology I'm happy to admit to it, having also followed the building and management of the Wivenhoe since it was first mooted initially because family of mine copped substantial resumptions when it was built. They had no problem with that if it saved Brisbane, but I remember my cousin who had a property there now dead always saying that if the Brisbane and the Bremmer flooded together the Wivenhoe could never completely prevent innundation in Brisbane.
However, it's lessened it substatially so YAY. The River was receding last night at a rate of 10cm an hour, so the water is going down now leaving a sea of mud and mess. The news is showing the clean up effort starting at the Rocklea markets, there's a heartbreaking amount of food gone to waste.
Maybe the market should be high-set as well. People are just starting to return to their homes, on the news footage there is mud, silt and piled up debris everywhere. However, as the peak was lower than predicted a number of people have returned to good news, where their house has been slightly higher than the water and escaped damage. Here are the food and supplies waiting to come to Brisbane, all backed up at Coffs Harbour south of the border.
Until the roads are open logistics and distribution are going to be a problem. Some areas have milk shortages, though I just walked to the local shop and saw both milk and meat delivery trucks, which is cheering. Newman is an ex-Army officer and has been giving easy to follow, idiot proof press conferences about what people need to do.
He's also mobilised every garbage truck and skip in Brisbane to start the cleanup. Tully in Ipswich was asked about looters which has been a bit of an issue there and said they would be used as levee banks.
D He's been tirelessly supporting his people who actually had worse devastation than Brisbane. Anyway, now it's Goondiwindi's turn. The levee banks are 11m high, at the moment the water is at Good luck to Gundy Worrals, there are many armchair hydrologists around at present, but from what I've seen, your assessment is one of the better ones.
I'm retired and have never had anything to do with Wivenhoe, so I'm not sure of how the operating rules work for it, but most storages like this have a certain amount of storage for water supply, full supply level FSL , and above that, flood mitigation storage. Most of the time, you like to keep the water supply storage full and the flood mit. When a flood is forecast, you can pre-release from supply storage to make room for the flood water that's coming.
How early and how much you can release depends on how good your forecasting system is, but if the dam is already below the spillway gates, you're limited to the capacity of the outlet valves, which may be relatively small. It's also difficult to forecast the size of the incoming flood. You don't want to release too much and finish up with the dam below FSL. Once the level has reached the gates, you can mitigate the flood by releasing less than the inflow, and storing the rest.
By looking at historical floods, you can know the minimum amount of total inflow you can anticipate if the rain stopped now, and release enough so that if that happened, you would finish up with the dam at FSL. In the case of Wivenhoe, the amount you can release is also governed by downstream flooding considerations and tides.
If flood inflows continue to increase, the gates will eventually be fully open, and uncontrolled outflows will occur over the spillway, at approximately the same rate as the inflows.
Hopefully, the spillway will be able to pass any flood that occurs, but it's worth noting that design floods are frequently re-calculated in the light of new information and techniques. I believe this has happened with Wivenhoe. Between the end of pre-releases and this time, the dam has been mitigating the flood by releasing less than inflows. From this time until the combination if inflows and storage allows control using the gates again, discharges from the dam will be about the same as inflows.
Once the flow can again be controlled by the gates, the aim is to get back down to FSL as quickly as possible, in case another flood comes along. This is a very general description, and each dam has its own rules that take into consideration local conditions, but I hope it gives some context to what happened. Sorry it's so long. Where I live is close to where the Romans built a 'station' to resupply the Roman Wall Hadrian's Wall There is evidence of Iron Age round houses on the site, but the first Romans in the area built a new fort on the present site with turf ramparts and timber gates around AD Tully in Ipswich was asked about looters which has been a bit of an issue there and said they would be used as levee banks One could only wish that could be done, or hang them from the light posts.
As for the dam, I thought they could have been dumping sooner, but as long as the people running it where making the decisions and not the pollies then thats fine. Wivenhoe Dam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http: Our local reservoir http: Crawls back into shell!
I don't recall the exact numbers, but in the '74 floods I was there in a Huey there were about houses flooded in Ipswich alone. In this latest flood, that number has risen to about , despite the water being a bit lower than ' This means that some greedy developers and some idiot councillors built thousands more houses below the known flood levels.
If the ground wasn't under water, it would be "grounds" for a lawsuit. Incidentally, one of my lasting memories of '74 was seeing 2 cows on the roof of a house, obviously washed up there, and as the waters receded, unable to dive in and swim away. I expect they eventually fell off and died.: Wife made a donation at Woolworth store check out, and the company will match it dollar for dollar.
Good on the company. Heard a rumour the other day that bull sharks were spotted swimming the streets of some of the affected areas. Any truth in that??? The Queensland Times reported the shark sightings, 30km from the coast, with Ipswich local councillor Paul Tully confirming it was a bizarre but true story out of Queensland's flood disaster.
There has been far too much of this in both Brisbane and Ipswich over the last two decades. A guy I know was telling me about a friend's new house 'on the banks of the Bremmer' that was metres under water. Who would build a lowset house on the banks of the Bremmer, and what sort of cruddy zoning would allow it?
Thanks for the info Hydromet, much appreciated. That's the nature of Zambis. Floods bring rich feeding opportunities and they'll get in anywhere after carrion. Saw plenty during the Moz floods a few years back. Some very good comments on the management of Wivenhoe.
I follow this closely and I think the management was fantastic. But this does pale when put alongside some other national and natural disasters faced by other nations. We need a full inquiry into why this dam managed by SEQ Water, and others managed by Sunwater, were managed in a way that actually produced the kind of flood it was designed to prevent Senior engineering and hydrological sources, not authorised to comment on the record, told The Australian that investigations need to be conducted into the operations of Wivenhoe Dam, which had been forced to release massive volumes of water to reduce the risk of a catastrophic collapse.
They said there needed to be a thorough questioning of whether the decision to store as much water as possible leading into the wet season, and the subsequent sudden release of water, had contributed to flooding in Brisbane, and whether flooding could instead have been minimised We are coming to Oz in February and i notice one of the threads mentions that Woolworth's are matching donations dollar for dollar.
I was going to make a donation to the Red Cross from the UK but if the big companies are matching dollar for dollar i will wait until we arrive.
Anyone know if i can donate through Woolworths or others from Melbourne?? Hard times for you folks up there and i wish you all the best, at least you have the Aussie spirit and that counts for a lot..
Most major businesses are accepting donations, such as Coles, Woolies and all the major banks. I imagine they will be doing so for some time. Otherwise you can donate online to the Premier's Relief Fund at Donate to the flood relief appeal: Thanks for the thought! Woolies are matching dollar for dollar until next Thursday; Coles has donated a million dollars.
Both are accepting donations in store. I'm not sure where the article you quoted gets it's info, but following the day by day levels theses are some of the facts: Monday afternoon Toowoomba was flooded, Monday the Bremer river catchment also received more than forecast rain. So to did Somerset Dam that flows into Wivenhoe. The Wivenhoe outflow was dramatically increased on Tuesday night to balance inflows but had to take consideration of the Bremer flows which were by then inevitably going to flood Ipswich, and tides for the week.
That was when the warnings started that Brissie would flood. Expert management kept the flood to the low level that it was. The hydrologist estimates were that without Wivenhoe and the management of the water flows the flood peak woul have been closer to 7 meters and not the 4.
I'm posting from my iPad but can source the info for you later if you like. I'm not sure where the article you quoted gets it's info Interesting times ahead methinks Here's the Bolt overview - How prepared was the Wivenhoe dam for this flood?
Herald Sun Andrew Bolt Blog http: The two questions that are being asked from the armchairs some of them rather sodden armchairs are Were the Wivenhoe scientists allowed to act of their own volition in managing the level of the dam, or was there political interference for PR reasons?
Only a month ago when they started staged releases, the TV media were full of Bozo On The Street opinions from the Q Street Mall with warbs whining about how they were 'wasting our drinking water' by staging releases. I guess all those bozos are now silent, but it's no secret that all governments are sensitive about bad PR and have been known to pressure the experts who make operational decisions whether in Parks, Emergency Services or dam management two from personal experience: If you want to talk about political aspects of the disaster, do so on the Cane Toad Wheel.
What isn't mandated is the amount of rain that fell in the catchment area area between Friday and Monday. They could try and legislate for this, I guess, but I also guess mother nature has her own rules.
I heartily agree with keeping the politics out of this thread. For info, this is the rainfall map from Bureau Of Meteorology for the week ended 11 Jan. With this amount of rain over such a large area on already sodden ground there was going to be a flood.
If you like you can google the area that this covered and calculate the water, and the flow into the run-off areas, but you can only come to one conclusion - there was going to be a flood.
The only questions were exactly when, and could it be managed anywhere near the '74 levels. The fact it was managed almost 3 meters below the non-Wivenhoe estimate is a fantastic outcome: Best keep JB Mods happy and take your post to the politics thread david, as thats what the flood is looking to be about - ill-informed political pressure.
Note that some areas received mm in the previous 24 hours ie - Monday10th , with widespread areas receiving mm and mm.
As we say here, if someone believes the flood was added to by the Dam Management "tell them they're dreamin'" Extreme rainfall for Southeast Queensland news. The monsoon trough, which is dipping far south, is providing an increased moisture airflow towards eastern Australia. La Nina also enhances the moisture content in the atmosphere and is one of the reasons for the above average rainfall. Yesterday, falls up to mm were recorded in only 24 hours around the Southeast.
Rain slightly eased over flooded areas but again widespread to mm fell in only 24 hours. Some parts even recorded falls up to mm overnight. Toowoomba Airport recorded another mm, bringing their monthly total to mm, five times their monthly average. Maleny was only one of many other stations which recorded mm to 9am, bringing their total to mm, mm above their average.
The coastal trough is slightly weakening but unfortunately, further heavy showers and storms are expected today across the southeast with falls up to mm possible. Looks like Brisbane may be in for an even bigger flood - " The aboriginals have a tradition that once upon a time a flood rose so high that it broke over the banks of the Brisbane River, near the site of the Grey Street Bridge and flowed down through the old reservoir site and down over the site of the present Town Hall, thence flowing into Creek Street, which was an old tributary of the river.
This would constitute the flood of history. The intention is to try and give an understanding of the enormity of the issues facing the non-political decision makers. That level of rainfall is unprecedented, specially bearing in mind the already sodden soil, and I am very, very grateful to those making the decisions that they minimised the impact.
Now, back to my appreciation of some of the moments that have lightened my heart during this tough time - see next post. A smart fox using his cunning to survive in the flood: Creek street carried the old Wheat Creek, which flowed from the tower mill down to the river. It was culverted in the late s to prevent cholera, one of Brisbane's first storm water drains.
The 'old resovoir' is presumably the Roma Street New street wetlands which always had brackish water in them. This was the original water supply for the Brisbane colony and presumably the indigenous residents before that. That level of rainfall is unprecedented The intention is to try and give an understanding of the enormity of the issues facing the non-political decision makers The government, and opposition, has probably done the best they could with the advice they received.
Looking at what is coming out in the blogs and newspapers it is looking to me as though we can ultimately blame the incompetent advice the government has received. I'm very interested in how our fellow non-human creatures also survived the great flooding. Thanks to david for those pictures. The original caption for this image from the BBC was "West of Brisbane, the city of Ipswich was swamped by floodwaters in a situation described as "total chaos".
Here, a city resident is seen rescuing a kangaroo. Yep, he's coming home for supper. Our barbie's still dry, all Lobb St. The Brekkie Creek will be okay once they shovel the mud out.
The first floor was completely flooded, but it's been flooded out three times before 74, 93 and They had time to get everything up to the top floor apparently the pokie machines were the first things moved, they're probably worth more than the pub: The Regatta was also flooded to the second floor but are promising they'll be refitting too, bigger and better than before. Their Citycat pontoon is bobbing around in the bay somewhere, but so are all the others.
They saved the Island Party Boat too, although not everyone's thrilled about that: On Wednesday she was crawling with Navy Clearance guys laying explosives in case the last mooring broke and set her adrift, threatening the bridges downstream. The mooring held and she's lived to party another day. I am somewhat humbled to think you would check on the state of a Queensland Icon I Think the Aussie Wedgetails sh! Another story of an unusual animal survival: A boatload of Kangaroos: Helicopters using the main road in Theodore as a landing zone while evacuating residents as their town went under water: Those 'roos are surprisingly docile, just to be sitting around in a boat.
In my experience, if they were genuinely wild 'roos, they would have been bounding out of the boat, the instant their feet touched the bottom They must be semi-domesticated 'roos, used to human contact, surely?? Yes, I am sure those 'roos are semi domestic.
There are so many wild ones why would one bother? These guys were hoping the water didn't rise any further: Other businesses came in to water all the way up: They act through duty, a response not only to their training but the kind of person who enlists in the first place.
I'm standing in a field under the blade of a Black Hawk helicopter this week and a soldier grabs my arm. Southwood and he was there on the night when the floods were at their worst, crewing a Black Hawk with Lieutenant-Colonel Tim Witenden that pulled people to safety. He tells his story - and not one time does he use the first-person pronoun "I". Instead he focuses entirely on those who flew with him.
It started normally enough, the rain falling and the rivers swelling, although no one knew how quickly, and they began flying police and operational personnel to various drop-off points to manage the growing disaster. Then air-traffic radioed a police message; people needed rescuing south of Rosewood, southwest of Ipswich. It would be hours before they would have a chance to pause and consider what was happening around them.
At Forest Hill they evacuated more people before heading to Laidley where people needed to be led across floodwaters to the hospital and an evacuation centre. The rain was hard and visibility was low and all the focus was on those walking across the floodwater to safety and, as Cpl Southwood watched from Black Hawk , a Navy Sea King radioed.
They had seen a man being swept down the swollen river. They were going after him. They feared the man would smash into the bridge. He disappeared under it. They watched the man smash into a tree and somehow grab hold of it. It was what they had to do to get to the man. It took more convincing than you might believe. As this man was being saved, Black Hawk was called to a place near the Big Orange, Gatton, on the Warrego Highway where people were trapped.
Time and again Black Hawk pulled survivors from rooftops to safety. Only there were too many. They radioed for help, and Black Hawk answered. They found a family stuck in a top room of their house. Here the bravery continues, as people were continually plucked to safety. Cprl Rob Nelson got in the rescue sling and Warrant Officer Tony Young - the same man who had rescued little Montannah Creaser hours earlier - lowered him down.
This happened all night. WO2 Young lowered him into dangers unknown to most of us. An aerial, for instance, can stab a man. Being swung into a window is no different than being thrown through one in a bar fight. WO2 Young landed them on a spot no bigger than a car bonnet every time - in the dark, with night goggles, in driving wind, in heavy rain. FROM the height they were at, it was like trying to drop a coin on a handkerchief two storeys up. Cpl Southwood inched forward, WO2 Young saying, "five, three, two, one One after the other, Cpl Nelson and WO2 Young kept plucking people from rooftops - before they had finished their mission.
The last was an old lady trapped in a house. When Black Hawk got over the house they saw the electricity was still live and the rising water was dangerous. Sergeant Andy Bryson dropped from the chopper into chest-high water, and went up into the house. Inside, an elderly woman told him she was OK, her daughter was dropping by soon in her car to take her away. Sgt Bryson tried to tell her the reality but the woman insisted she was OK. He had a chopper ready to go. The elderly woman then began scratching coins together to pay for the chopper.
Then she put on the jug so she could make a cuppa to take with her. Despite all this, Sgt Bryson managed to get her moving. Up in Black Hawk , Sergeant Dave Hill lowered the winch through the wind and storm and hit the only spot available to rescue the elderly woman - at her front door and less than 2m from live power lines. Again, these winch operators were shooting for handkerchiefs. Cpl Southwood heard about this later, and wanted people to know what these men did under pressure. They passed within a metre of the electricity in the wind and rain and the dark and, with their own lives at risk, they saved another life.
A common bravery among uncommon men. The Daily Telegraph http: Did the Brekkie Creek Hotel survive? Yes it did galaxy flyer - and rather better than other reports may have led you to believe. PM me next time you are thereabouts I'd be glad to share a beer.
The first floor was never flooded and in fact the ground floor bar had only an inch through it. Manager Sam Gullo said the historic pub emerged relatively unscathed from the flood water.
It never got anywhere near even the first floor, let alone the second floor as this picture clearly shows - http: To all of you affected by this terrible event, especially those who have lost so much, sincere condolences from Canada. Have just returned to the snows here and realize that we have nothing to complain about. What more can one say except to wish you all well and hope that recovery can start soon.
Good Luck to you all! The pride you have in your nation is admirable. Even before the massive floods in Australia, French TV were already advising that insurance premiums for motorists here would rise between 2. And well above inflation.. It's interesting that the old 'Queenslanders' on stilts seem to be OK. Over recent centuries, massive cyclones have been relatively common. Backpages personals escortd airport's fine, no damage or flooding. My cousins used to blast away at them. ABC investigation uncovers fake spirits on sale in independent bottle shops 'Precious sweetheart': Good on the company.